Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 72 Location: south shore mtl
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: food supply: getting started
this will be my personnal reflexions on how to gather a decent food supply, cause i'm just getting started with my own, and before i fill it with useless junk, i'll write down what comes to my mind on this matter,and follow it, feel free to add your own advice...
first of all: WATER IS LIFE.... have more than what you might need, it won't be a waste, remember that your body need about 2litres a day, so don't hesitate to add another gallon just for sure.
about the food you will add, try to avoid anything that need water for preparation, there is a lot of"ready to eat" meals that are non perishable and does not require water, remember, you want to DRINK that water...
a secured hideout would be perfect to stack all of your provision, but if it cannot apply, a box, under many other boxes will do the job, for myself, i use a wood chest in my closet, and putted some blankets and clothes on the top
WHAT goods you put in there is a personal touch, but a general rule apply:diversity.... because you don't want to eat canned chicken soup everyday for the next few weeks, so look for nutritive food, you can't just hang on powerbars for too long . so for a general pattern: canned soup(chunky is damn nutritive, and you won't be hungry anymore after one) oatmeal, canned salmon, whole wheat crackers, fruits salad, peanut butter, rice, mixed nuts and beef jerky.
sugar is not a good option, if you want something sweet, you want to look for brown sugar or honey(i have a preference for maple syrup, but around here, it's a tradition!!!!)
some people might says "avoid coffee!!!" again, this is a personal note,but for myself, i could use one every now and then, problem is...coffee or water(remember the water rule!!!)???
and as a conclusion, make sure you have anything you might need to cook on the "field", plan on for power outage, put some cooking instruments with the supplys(don't forget can opener) plates, forks spoons, you now...!! _________________ you'll never feel more alive than on the edge of death
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Re: food supply: getting started
You need X amount of water daily, regardless of where it comes from. If some of it comes from the food you have stored (like soup) thats fine, but you really have not saved any water by storing soup. You have just premixed the water with your food. and made it easier to prepare. _________________ Bob
Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 72 Location: south shore mtl
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: food supply: getting started
ilbob wrote:
You need X amount of water daily, regardless of where it comes from. If some of it comes from the food you have stored (like soup) thats fine, but you really have not saved any water by storing soup. You have just premixed the water with your food. and made it easier to prepare.
good point, but water is definately more refreshing when it is non mixed with anything, from powder juice to ramens, even soup or stew, you need to drink pure water everyday, if you get more with the food you ated, well that's just fine, but i still keep my point, un-altered water is highly valuable in a survival situation, i might prefer keepin it for drinking.
BTW a coffee made with water dosen't give you the real goodness of a "real" glass of water. _________________ you'll never feel more alive than on the edge of death
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: Re: food supply: getting started
shenkhu wrote:
ilbob wrote:
You need X amount of water daily, regardless of where it comes from. If some of it comes from the food you have stored (like soup) thats fine, but you really have not saved any water by storing soup. You have just premixed the water with your food. and made it easier to prepare.
good point, but water is definately more refreshing when it is non mixed with anything, from powder juice to ramens, even soup or stew, you need to drink pure water everyday, if you get more with the food you ated, well that's just fine, but i still keep my point, un-altered water is highly valuable in a survival situation, i might prefer keepin it for drinking.
BTW a coffee made with water dosen't give you the real goodness of a "real" glass of water.
You may prefer "pure" water to a cup of coffee, but I doubt it really makes a whole lot of difference to your system.
Personally, I would prefer to not waste a lot of space and weight on food that already has the water mixed in with it. You can always add water to your food. I don't see much difference in storing a couple extra gallons of water as water than storing that same amount of water in cans of soup. _________________ Bob
Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 72 Location: south shore mtl
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:22 am Post subject:
actually, on the coffee matter, it does... because cafeine cause more dehydratation than the amount of water in it
about the "weight" of the food, it's not a concern since it's in my bug-IN plan, meaning the cans are already there
i might have exagerrated the importance of water, but since it's the second vital element for survival(1st one being air) i wanna make sure i've got all i need to hold on
i heard somewhere that you can hold on for 20-30 days without a decent meal, but not more than 3 days without water... THAT'S the bottom line. _________________ you'll never feel more alive than on the edge of death
actually, on the coffee matter, it does... because cafeine cause more dehydratation than the amount of water in it
about the "weight" of the food, it's not a concern since it's in my bug-IN plan, meaning the cans are already there
i might have exagerrated the importance of water, but since it's the second vital element for survival(1st one being air) i wanna make sure i've got all i need to hold on
i heard somewhere that you can hold on for 20-30 days without a decent meal, but not more than 3 days without water... THAT'S the bottom line.
I don't think you can exaggerate the importance of having an adequate source of water. Most people can live a long time without food, but a few days without water and you will be in deep trouble.
As for the urban myth about coffee and caffiene dehydarting a person, it is just not so. A number of peer reviewed published studies have showed it is just not the case.
Sugar and alcohol OTOH, are issues in that respect. _________________ Bob
Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 117 Location: Kansas City, MO
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject:
5 gallon buckets filled with trail mix or other ready-to-eat food can serve you well. Just throw it in and put some dessicant packets on top and you'll be set for a while. Beyond that, cans and other packages of ready-to-eat meals are the way to go. It's doubtful that you'll have very much fuel, so you might not want to go will all things that need to be cooked. This is not to say that I don't stock bulk bags of rice and lentils, but you shouldn't hang your hat on them when gas and electric will most likely be out.
+1 to keeping water. Having a few cases of bottled water in rotation will put you way ahead. Also, every 2 and 3 liter soda bottle can be washed out and filled with tap water with 3 drops of bleach per liter. Do not, however, use the plastic gallon jugs (the kind that milk comes in). They're made of biodegradible plastic so that they're not as harsh on the environment and easier to recycle (which is way cool). However, long term storage makes them get little pinhole leaks that are super-annoying.
Right now my food storage is:
trail mix
canned tuna in oil
crasins
rice and lentils
m&ms
peanut butter
ultralight joe's moose goo
luna bars (they're for girls, but I can't help that they're the best)
textured vegetable protien
maple syrup
Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 72 Location: south shore mtl
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject:
+1 on maple syrup in your own storing!!! (i d'ont share MY maple )
and on the trailmix as well!!!
as for fuel, 5 gallons of coleman fuel can last a little while, at least the time i figure out where to gather wood!!!! _________________ you'll never feel more alive than on the edge of death
Has anyone ever suggested protein powder to be mixed with water? I get free coupons asking me to try the stuff all the time. Most of it can be mixed with water or milk, and would take care of a meal if needed, and would still supply your water intake. I think having about 5 gallons of water set aside for food preparation would be the way to go. Worst case scenario you drink the water.
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